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Friday, May 20, 2005


For our part, we just want to point out something in that quote from the Times:
Some of the same M.P.’s took a particular interest in an emotionally disturbed Afghan detainee who was known to eat his feces and mutilate himself with concertina wire. The soldiers kneed the man repeatedly in the legs and, at one point, chained him with his arms straight up in the air, Specialist Callaway told investigators. They also nicknamed him “Timmy,” after a disabled child in the animated television series “South Park.” One of the guards who beat the prisoner also taught him to screech like the cartoon character, Specialist Callaway said.
Perhaps Sullivan might want to rethink the “South Park Republican” meme he has become so fond of himself for creating?

posted by Sully 5/20/2005 12:46:00 PM

Wednesday, May 18, 2005


As noted at Alicublog and Best of Both Worlds, and summed up by a returning Atrios this morning (thanks a lot for the link!), Sullivan’s refusal to let the right off the hook on the Newsweek story has (ahem) engendered a great deal of them to drop the gloves and use subtle code words to suggest that, well, he’s gay so we could never really trust him.

The meanest came, unsurprisingly, from John Podhoretz Normanson, a recent addition to the NRA Corner Crew. His boorishness and homophobia are, of course, no surprise to any reader of David Brock’s Blinded by the Right.

Not to be outdone, Sullivan fired back with “
I'd wager I know much less about Joan Crawford, Mae West or Bette Davis than John does.”

OOOOOOHHHH! This is Sullivan’s way of saying the gloves are off and may never come back on again.

Podhoretz-Normanson has never, you see, entirely cleared himself of suspicions that he is himself gay. Yeah, he got married a couple of years ago (after hotfooting it out of his first marriage sometime before), but his homophobia has been of the kind that even those sympathetic to it sometimes see as the protective coat of someone who really does, deep down inside, swing that way.

Add to that his infamous pseudonym (“Tiffany Midgeson”) when he was the Washington Times’ gossip columnist and widely acknowledged as the worst ever to hold that position at any newspaper anywhere ever (Supposedly staffers at the rival Washington Post would gather for hootenanny-like sessions of reading the column out loud over hysterical laughter). And that Midge Decter is his mother. ’Nuff said.

Sullivan, by slantingly alluding to this for the fisrt time ever outside the snarky gay world of anonymous comments on blog posts, has really opened a can of worms here. We may yet get to see the parting on the right that we’ve been awaiting for so long.

And wouldn’t it be funny if it was started by Mr. Anti-Outing himself?

posted by Sully 5/18/2005 10:39:00 PM

You should follow the lead of Thomas Friedman and actually visit these countries
Or, this is proof that he actually does make up emails. Not that, this time, we mind — it is pretty funny.

posted by Sully 5/18/2005 11:16:00 AM

Before this war started, I wouldn’t have even considered the possibility that the U.S. was guilty.

posted by Sully 5/18/2005 11:05:00 AM

Tuesday, May 17, 2005


Uh, Andrew, that Christianity Today story is a good six months old.

It also seems like all he did was read the Google summary of the story. For there is nothing in it to suggest that Bush is losing evangelical support over Abu Ghraib.

Rather, it seems, the issue is that a lot of high-ranking evangelicals (a phrase increasingly redundant when applied to the Bush administration) were directly involved in creating the legal climate under which torture was justified.

The relevant parts:

What emerged was troubling. Beyond setting Bush administration priorities, evangelicals were significantly involved in drafting policy memos that created the permissive climate in which the abuse of prisoners occurred. Asking not to be named, Christians who serve in federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies told CT that aggressive interrogation of suspected terrorists was no-holds-barred. Bob Woodward, the author of a definitive book on Bush's war effort, told CT, “It was very clear from my interviews that [Bush] felt the gloves were off for the CIA.”

In a February 7, 2002, executive order, the President wrote that he wanted prisoners in the war on terror treated “humanely” but also “consistent with military necessity.”

He also explicitly argued that the Geneva Convention’s guidelines for treatment of prisoners of war did not apply to terrorists. Evangelical legal scholar John Yoo contributed to several of the legal memos for Attorney General John Ashcroft justifying much harsher interrogation techniques in the war against terrorism.

Yoo declared, “Terrorists have no Geneva rights.” (The Geneva Conventions do not address how nations in wartime should handle persons who are agents of hostile, clandestine organizations rather than members of the military arm of a recognized government.)

A well-known evangelical, Army Lt. Gen. William G. “Jerry” Boykin, deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence, heads what some label a worldwide find-and-hit squad against terrorists. And one top Pentagon-related expert who taught officers how to interrogate Muslims is an evangelical.

But, to be fair, some evangelicals thought otherwise:
But there were also evangelicals within the Bush administration who opposed aggressive interrogation of suspected terrorists. An evangelical scholar with high-level ties to the Defense intelligence policymakers told CT about personal disillusionment with the Bush administration. “We have got a global inquisition and this is not Monty Python,” the specialist declared, referring to the abusive questioning of terror suspects.

The internal debate transcended the traditional “hawk” or “dove” division. Evangelicals sought to link faith and policy in setting moral boundaries in the war against terrorism. Evangelicals have been especially concerned with appropriate methods to question terrorists who claim fervent religious motivation. One source told CT that religion has become a “critical dimension” in 21st-century warfare.

This and some poll cited in the story (none of which, it should be noted, deal with self-identified evangelicals as a group) seem to justify the one sentence which led Sullivan to make the claim confidently:
The bottom line is that, for some evangelicals, Bush and his advisers, many of whom are conservative Christians, have lost a measure of trust and support because of this scandal.
This was a really sloppy story that wasn’t worth linking too. There are no direct quotes from any named evangelical outside the administration supporting this conclusion, and the direct quotes from non-Administration sources are protective and defensive.

As much as we’d like to believe Sully on this one, it just ain’t proven here.

posted by Sully 5/17/2005 08:08:00 PM

Captain James Yee, originally and unsuccessfully framed by the military as a spy, was the Muslim chaplain at Guantanamo.

Uh, Smalltown Boy, who aided in the framing when it was originally taking place?

And, we might add, has never apologized for what he implied there.

QUICK UPDATE: Reread Jo Fish’s harsh words on this subject.

posted by Sully 5/17/2005 07:59:00 PM

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